He was a Yankee and he was generally bored and impatient with everything about the South, but he liked me and he thought I was special. Im not doing enough as an individual if Im not seeking out new experiences, new people, being challenged, being honest with who I am, or my poems are going to be stuck. I was born in 71, and we had multitasking and were in the electronic age. The girls are eager to transform him with a kiss; the boys eager And the poem opens out into this big question - define life. So, if Im talking to someone, and I mention Glenn Gould and Future, or Picasso and Lil Wayne, my mind is always bridging those two things. You come from a small town in South Carolina and went to college because you had a basketball scholarship. Its unclear how the court will rule. by Major Jackson. Track teams are so big, they dont usually give them. I did high jump and the four-hundred-meter relay. Its the name people of color call/Themselves on weekends & the name colorful/People call their enemies & friends. Or, in the manner of a personals ad, to invite her closer: A brother versed in spiritual calisthenics/And cowboy quiet seeks funny, lonesome,/Speculative or eye-glassed lass. Alongside these gamelike poemsthere is a sonnet about Scrabbleare tributes to Emily Dickinson and Langston Hughes, an appreciation of James Baldwins face, and the first #MeToo-era elegy Ive ever read, working through the legacy of Derek Walcott. I dont necessarily think Im entitled to anything or that I can control very much. Jackson was still in prison when he heard about the Supreme Court ruling. After missing out on his kids, he wants to make the most of his time with his grandkids. American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin. There are formal and rhetorical puzzles in nearly every one of Hayess poems. I still need it to be more relevant, and the stakes have to be a little deeper. I didnt know a poem could do that. I continually want to make the last poem more interesting. The latter won the Poetry Foundation's 2019 Pegasus Award for Poetry Criticism. Trumpet reinforces. I mean, I can't actually remember another book that does this, where every single poem has the same title for an entire collection. Are existential jambalaya. than a door being knocked. So I just accepted that. Army Veteran and former VA employee, Terrence Hayes, is the VFW's National Director of Communications. Hayes was surprised at the Ramos ruling, having had little faith in the countrys criminal justice system. How can I be a better teacher? JW: You have a significant position nowyou won the National Book Award in 2010, and youve won several other awards, and you got the MacArthur in 2014. Because I wasnt in a class and didnt have to turn it in at the end of the week and revise it and turn it in again in a portfolio at the end of the semester, I could just work. Im going to eat it the same. Then it was three years, and I was done. I got letters from LSU, Clemson, UNC Chapel-Hill, but no one gave a full ride. You can insert anything in that but certainly fluidity in terms of faculty and aesthetics. I have to trust my own perception as opposed to waiting for someone to tell you how to fix it, which is what happens in an MFA program. Baraka would say your obligation is to feed black people. Its like your grandfather worked every day at the mill, but you never knew what his favorite color was, or what cruel thing his mother said to him when he was ten years old. I had no sense of what kind of avenues might open up. How you get fairly boring poems about race is because you are trying to plug into some notion about identity, as opposed to some notion of personality. In that box, there were twelve twelve-by-twelve tiles, and once I put some gesso on oneit was smooth, and I could paint on it. I also sent in storiesit was an MFA in creative writing, not just poetry, and I didnt know they had different sects. Her office is handling petitions for relief from Jackson and hundreds of others seeking retrials. Allen Grossman said, when people ask, What are your poems about? he says, Poetry, the subject is always poetry. I find that to be very useful as a maker of poems, even though thats frustrating for readers. To stay with the food metaphor, you can make something bad. A week earlier, Murrell had assaulted Haynes at a shopping mall in an . Top 250 Movies Most Popular Movies Top 250 TV Shows Most Popular TV Shows Most Popular Video Games Most Popular Music Videos Most Popular Podcasts. Hayes said hes disappointed in Rosenblums decision to wait, especially with her being the judge that oversaw his case 16 years before. Probably twilight makes blackness dangerous. Race might be part of my identity, but its not the only thing thats there. That might be a better way of thinking about it. The authoritative record of NPRs programming is the audio record. Responding to the person in front of you and their potential and interests, and challenging those potentials and interests, seem to me benchmarks for a program. When Im at a conference thats full of formalists, they say, Oh, youre a formalist; if Im at an African-American retreat, people say, Yeah, youre an African-American poet. Im interested in form; Im interested in culture. You aint allowed to derideWomen when youve never wept in front of a womanThat wasnt your mother. Reverting to childhood may be an impossibility, but it is the solitary unquestionable way to recuperate unblemished happiness . But students often dont want that; they want a strategy for how to make it in the academy. JW: I can see that in your poems. TH: Id majored in fine arts, and Id been encouraged as a painter for a long time, since third grade when I started in the art club, so I always thought that was something I could do. Critics argued these laws are a relic from a racist past that marginalize minority jurors. Terrance Hayes (born November 18, 1971) is an American poet and educator who has published seven poetry collections. He attended Coker College on a basketball scholarship, but explored painting and poetry and, encouraged by an English professor there and the poet Toi Derricotte, went to the University of Pittsburgh for an MFA in Creative Writing. [1] In September 2014, he was one of 21 recipients of a prestigious MacArthur Fellowship, awarded to individuals who show outstanding creativity in their work. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. That would be the Ashbery kind of poetry. Currently a MacArthur Fellow, Hayes synthesizes disparate elements in his work: classical forms like the sonnet; popular culture references from hip-hop to Scooby-Doo; comments on race, especially African-American experience; modes such as the Japanese business presentation slide series pecha kucha; and reflections on fatherhood and family. The you, now & then of the last line is, I take it, the reader and also the assassin. And yet I still feel like theres something wrong with trying to force me to support the troops. TH: Flexibility is what makes a good program. The poetry was from Hayes' book American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin.[11]. Part of the reason for the relatively low number is insufficient data in many cases, defendants will never know if they were convicted by a split jury because their lawyer never asked and it was never preserved in court records, Kaplan said. Terrance Hayes is the author of Wind in a Box (Penguin 2006), Hip Logic (Penguin 2002) and Muscular Music (Carnegie Mellon University Contemporary Classics, 2005 and Tia Chucha Press, 1999). So I really could not afford to do the kind of art I wanted to do in graduate school. So Ill risk naivety in the moment. If I dont do something about this, then they still have to deal with all the stigmas that come with a father with a violent history, he said. People come up to me saying, You know, I think of you as a confessional poet. Thats OK, too; I think the word means to be opened up. Terrence Hayes was 19 when he shot a man in the leg in 2004. His own attempt to cook for the first time again hes embarrassed to say resulted in a burnt grilled cheese sandwich. [1] I was just doing a Q and A and bouncing between The Simpsons and Picasso. These crisis conditions suit Hayes. What you find with the typical grad student, even on the first day, is theyre thinking about books and concepts. States are allowed to use their own retroactivity test, and we do not know whether Oregon will follow the federal standard or come up with its own state test, Kaplan said. The day after the 2016 Presidential election, Terrance Hayes wrote the first of the seventy sonnets collected in his new book, American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin. Time had been altered in some baleful and uncertain way; the sonnet offered an alternative unit of measurement, at once ancient, its basic features unchanged for centuries, and urgent, its fourteen lines passing at a brutal clip. TH: Gentle Measures almost went into Lighthead, but I just didnt have it finished. Every time Im flying out of Pittsburgh, I see your picture in the airport, with Pitt advertising, Come study with a genius. How do you feel about your position? That is what I value in a workshop. The 1619 Project: A New Origin Story. As he remarks in this interview, he resists being tied to one adjective to describe himself as a poet. Reasonable people do want somebody at the table with them; theres something wrong with the image of me sitting at the table and people watching me eat. The sonnet clips its authors wingsand yet a wide sample of appetites and aversions, vices and virtues, sneaks into it. When I think about the Black Arts poets, people like Baraka, who I knew and hung out with, or Sonia Sanchez, to me the great tragedy is that theres this wall because theyre interested in blackness and uplift and a certain kind of identity, but I get no sense through their work of their personality. So I would hope that in my forties I would be different, more interesting, and know moreand probably be more ambivalentthan I was in my twenties. But I hear, too, an affectionate nod to a lover. The Oregon Criminal Defense Lawyers Association is on board. Born in Columbia, South Carolina, Terrance Hayes earned a BA at Coker College and an MFA at the University of Pittsburgh. Its the right thing to do; we shouldnt wait for a court ruling to do this, association legislative director Mae Lee Browning told The Oregonian/OregonLive. Thats what I find interesting, and to have that wall stops it. What I hate is a white canvas, and I dont like one layer of paint. Terrence Haynes. Born in 1971 in Columbia, SC, Hayes's mother was a corrections officer and father a military barber. Menu. He is known for his collections American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassins and To Float In The Space Between. Sometimes he uses sonnets to stump the reader: This word can be the difference between knowing/And thinking. I couldnt do Division I, because I would have been a guard, and because Ive been this tall since I was fifteen, Ive always played inside, so I never really learned how to handle the ball. 2023 Cond Nast. But Id say thats always been true. Its not like you could move something out just because it happens to not look like you. A little bit of reading, talking to some people about art and how art worksthose are things I know work for basic stimulation. You find that out especially as a teacher. To me, the conversation is done once I choose a side. I just try to be transparent and very present, and then see what happens. Anything else connected to that is just gravy. The Still in Prison campaign is working to raise public awareness about the impact of Oregons law. He can quickly rattle off their ages 9, 5, 2, 3, and one that is almost a year old though birthdays may prove to be more difficult. TH: The thing that I appreciate with an undergrad is the freedom of writing and not connecting that to professional aspirations. The Criminal Justice Reform Clinic gathered racial data from public records on the group of people who have filed relief petitions asking for the Supreme Court ruling to apply to them as of late January. Its been less than two months since Jackson came home, but hes not wasting any time. Even if the U.S. Supreme Court rules against retroactivity, however, that wont bind Oregon courts, Kaplan said. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. TH: Im interested in identity, but theres another circle thats closer to the self, and thats personality. His office only handles the post-conviction relief cases when the individual is not in custody nor on post-prison supervision currently only four people. All rights reserved. Terrance Hayes is probably the most innovative poet addressing the complexities of race in America today. It seems more ambivalent, too. That goes to the question of how much you allow yourself to fail in your day-to-day practice. That figure is just moving around. Born in Columbia, South Carolina, Terrance Hayes earned a BA at Coker College and an MFA at the University of Pittsburgh. I want to be writing about something; I want to have a subject like novels can, capturing a whole world. In seventy sonnets written after Trumps election, Hayes manages boundless anxiety with formal innovation. Hayes shares what he's learned about the VFW since starting his new position. The joke in my classes and in my household is that I am always timing and measuring everything. So when my mother saw my earliest poems in the first book, she was like, Oh, it was just your imagination.. I just want to be writing, and I dont care that much if you say you love it or you hate it. Since then, he's won a huge number of literary prizes, including a MacArthur Foundation fellowship. Im mostly interested in philosophers that have an interest in languageWittgenstein, even Nietzsche. I used to do it, but it was taking up too many of my words.) Terrence L. Hayes, press secretary, Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs: Prior to assuming the role of VA press secretary, Terrence Hayes served as national director of Communication and Public Affairs for the Veterans of Foreign Wars. These cases returned to the county level, where district attorneys could decide whether to retry or take some other action. Some of the older teachers crowd in the doorway like befuddled geese. Sometimes it might be confessional, but I do like to make stuff up. Since this means there will be no classes for the rest Thats how I work, from one day to the next. After Ive done a poem, then I can think about it as a piece of the puzzle and as a part of this whole thing, as opposed to writing one poem at a time, and when I get to twenty poems or forty poems, I have a book. shelved 32,633 times. I didnt really know any college graduates other than my teachers. And then there are poems that are really - what's the word I want? My attitude is to split the difference. He attended Coker College on a basketball scholarship, but explored painting and poetry and, encouraged by an English professor there and the poet Toi Derricotte, went to the University of Pittsburgh for an MFA in Creative Writing. And I thought, after Id written it, Well, if I dont go out there and find this dude whos my biological father, Im going to keep writing this poem. So thats a personal thing from my life, and if I didnt answer that life question, I felt like I was going to be stuck in my work. Everybody assumes that the I is a confessional I, and they assume that with me, but I find its a useful device so I can lie to people in plain sight. In my ignorance, though, that meant I was majoring in fine arts, and I was taking writing. Williams in late February moved to have convictions overturned for 22 people convicted of felonies by nonunanimous juries, and he has plans to review hundreds more. I also thought that, when I finished, I would just go back home. You write a poem, and you think its a failed poem, but maybe its a draft, and you just keep going onto the next poem. Copyright 2018 NPR. TH: Or I might have become a high school English teacher. If youre just trying to make art, nobody has to buy what you do, and the world doesnt need it, so I try to tell them to relax. I was wired that way from the outset, as a college kid without any concern with where it was going to go or who was going to like it. Thats manifested in the pecha kucha poems in Lighthead: theyre not measurements of meter; theyre measurements of time. Whats great about painting is that all the different things get absorbed, and then theres still a result. Whats important for me in that book is the joining of it, making this new object. You cantGrasp your own hustle, your blackness, you cant graspYour own pussy, your black pussy dies for touch. My interest is not what people expect from me as a poet; I know I can make burgers, but can I make sushi? His claim of self-defense was rejected by a jury that convicted him, 10-2, of attempted murder, assault and unlawful use of a. Why do we have to read Shakespeare? I know because an article came back to me that said, You should read Shakespeare and Terrance Hayes. I agree with that, and I dont see why it cant be both. "Terrance Hayes is an elegant and adventurous writer with disarming humor, grace, tenderness, and brilliant turns of phrase. In the Ramos case, three dissenting justices were concerned that states could face a potential tsunami of litigation if all active cases with nonunanimous jury convictions were invalidated. Maybe the one thats covered up is more interesting, and maybe the last result is sort of a failure, but thats all right, Im still going through the process. Hayes said hes fortunate to have been able to get his electricians license in prison, an opportunity afforded to only a handful of people, and he found a job in July. He was the type of professor whose house youd visit, and all my family had met him before he passed. But his felony excludes him from better-paying federal contracts, he said. Blacks make up 2% of Oregons population, but they represent 17.9% of petitioners. His new work, Hip Logic, is full of poetic tributes to the likes of Paul Robeson, Big Bird, Balthus, and Mr. T, as well as poems based on the anagram principle of words within a word. I can put things together and see what is made without having to choose. In her statement announcing she had filed a brief in the Ramos case, she cited the practical consequences that could result from overturning cases. People from the outside sometimes look at me and look at how things are going, and they say, You were very strategic. In seventy sonnets written after Trump's election, Hayes manages boundless anxiety with formal innovation. I did help start the Center for African American Poetry and Poetics, which is important in archiving poetry, but most of my concerns, over eighty percent, go toward teaching. In his fight for a retrial, Jackson is joined by a coalition that is beginning to form around the issue. Schmidt will also defer to a future ruling on retroactivity, according to spokesperson Brent Weisberg. Its always what I go back to, and everything is filtered through that. On the one hand, it seems like your career was accidental. I think about the next poem, because Im always thinking I could do better, and have I done the best I can? For this latest collection, he made one big choice at the outset: all the sonnets share the same title, American Sonnet for My Past and Future Assassin. This repetition is superstitious, a tribute paid to the imagined assassin, as if the poems can buy back time in fourteen-line reprieves. him with a "Get the Hell out of here!" Of course I was wrong, but its become a practice that Im still trying to read as much as I can. Hayes and Jackson have already served their decades in prison, but their felonies remain on their records a scarlet letter that continues to affect every aspect of their lives, even in freedom. Im not sure how to hold my face when I dance, he writes: In an expression of determination or euphoria?. JW: I want to ask about your background and how you came to do poetry. But I want it to yield something for my primary concerns: teaching and writing poetry. Americas struggle with itselfHas always had people like me at the heart of it. It was my first time hearing it. People can come and sit around and talk about work. My point about the academic is not about high or low, its just that theres outside information. He teaches at Carnegie Mellon University and lives in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, with his family. Then, finding him in my forties, and becoming somewhat ambivalent about what that means. Thelonious Monk says there is no failure, theres only rehearsal and practice. To avoid confusion across jurisdictions in Oregon, post-conviction relief proceedings should be consistent across the state to avoid confusion and future litigation.. I was gonna fight it until I couldnt fight anymore.. But I had gotten into a habit of working as long as I wanted to on my poems. But it so happens that theres something in his music that can be of interest to how we workespecially to a room of writers or people who think about language and literature. JW: Youve had plenty of critics comment on your work, but if you said there was a quality that it has, what would it be? Hayes lives in Manhattan, and he and his ex-wife, the poet Yona Harvey, a professor at the University of Pittsburgh, share the custody of their two children. Im a student of poetry, and I feel like everythings on the table, and I can use it all. The day after . So thats my big question: am I the one thats limited and theres a way to do this thing, or is it the genre thats limited? Doing that, she argued, would re-traumatize crime victims and survivors and overwhelm our states criminal justice system.. TAYLOR: Yeah, that raise questions. And if jurors of color dissent from the majority, their votes effectively dont count, critics say. SHAPIRO: (Laughter) Right. It gets into the art for arts sake versus social purpose argument, but I think the real purpose is who do you want at the table with you? TH: Maybe a satirical question like in Support the Troops! where Im asking, why should I support them? NPR's Ari Shapiro speaks with poetry reviewer, Tess Taylor about Terrance Hayes' new collection American Sonnets for my Past and Future Assassin. The defendant can claim a constitutional violation occurred during the trial in this case, Jackson and his attorney would argue Ramos applies to him, which could grant him a retrial. It was sort of like Walter Benjamins Arcades Project, but it wasnt working and it wasnt good, so I stopped and finished How to be Drawn. So for someone to say this is your audience and you have to give people the thing theyll really eat, Im saying you dont know what peoples capacity is. Thats the procedural crazy in our law that requires a ruling that says, this opinion is retroactive, Kaplan said. JW: Do you think its because you had an anomalous path coming into poetry? They must withstand humiliating sexual reviews to participate in the economy at all: There was black male review for ladies nightAt the nightclub. The group is just trying to remind people this still exists, said Gregory McKelvey, a local Democratic activist and strategist for the campaign. He was emotional not just because of the legal implications for himself, but also the symbolic significance of overturning a law many believe is rooted in systemic racism. You know a lot of things, but you havent spent a whole bunch of time in one area. I thought, maybe Ill teach, and if I didnt teach, maybe Ill go work in the prison. I think thats useful, but on the other hand, its not quite satisfying for me. in the face the music of his wrist-. Which is to say, A nigga can survive. Jeffrey J. Williams: You use a variety of forms, you sometimes draw from popular culture, and your poetry changes from book to book, so it would be hard to define you as one kind of poet or from one school. I think he could just sit down, listen to some music every day, and feel like he could make an interesting poem. Are those our only options? Ad Choices. From the Spring 2018 issue of The Iowa Review. Sign up for the Books & Fiction newsletter. Part of that is just obsessive-compulsiveness, which may be in my personality. The order of those things shifts depending on where I am that day: some days, Im a male poet first, and thats whats really going to inform the work; a lot of days, Im a black poet first and thats whats going to inform it. I mean, what does he accomplish by doing this? Thats Wallace Stevens or T.S. I think thats a working-class outlook: if it didnt look like it was for me, if I felt in the workshop the way I felt in the barber shop, I could just go home and work. Probably all my encounters. 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