The vast majority of those races were won by Arabians. They found their way to the U.S. and the Russian blood was well represented in the show ring in the late 70s and early 80s. Keeping up with the Joneses was definitely a driving force. "The rest of ushopefully we get other things out of it besides money. They're the ideal family horse.". . Updated Oct 5, 1998, 12:00am EDT. For $35,000 he bought Cognac, son of *Bask +, a champion Arabian stallion. This resulted in allegations of impropriety, inflated appraisals of value, shilling, and many lawsuits. Marwan Al Shaqab, the crown jewel of the royal stables of Qatar, has rock star status in the Middle East. Bob Hope is about 5 minutes in. Well, you could say that about nearly all Arabians, but here in the United States, Crabbet Arabians were some of the earliest and largest imports to our country, going back to 1893 when the bay stallion *Bedr 239 (Azrek x Bozra) was imported by W.H. By the end of the show the sun shone brightly, and the show was a success! January 30, 1978. Fueling speculation about the motives behind the seizure are the early press releases that gave the appearance that seizure was an opportunity for rescue facilities to grandstand, and the seized horses were props for a massive fund-raising opportunity. "A $100,000 to $500,000 investment is minimum if one has any expectation of succeeding without luck.". Bask may refer to: to bask, or to sunbathe. Monty!Lasma handed over a new Cadillac to the buyer whose bid put the auction over the million-dollar mark for the first time. 25, 2004. Lasma subsequently assigned its interest in the purchase agreement and note to Morgan Bank. Although the U.S. economy is still struggling, and likewise the equine industry, the Arabian market overseas, specifically in the Middle East, is strong. Ruth and Ed Tweed moved to Scottsdale in 1949. Western pleasure, English pleasure, park, pleasure driving, et cetera. And finally, the entire body is sprayed with Grand Champion to give it that all-over glow. Thank you! Wilson was notified of the assignment in a June 3, 1986, letter received from Morgan Bank. But if you want a horse that will run you till your fanny sizzles, the Arabian is the ticket. LASMA ARABIANS, LTD. is a Florida Domestic Limited Partnership filed on April 3, 1981. The land Lasma was on is covered with houses, but the land occupied by smaller neighboring Arabian farms on the west side of 54th is still vacant. "I tell them, 'If any of those smart-talking guys gets you to put up your money, you'd better be prepared to lose it.' Before a show the grooming procedure might begin with a bath in Flex protein and balsam shampoo and conditioner. Get this Arizona Republic page for free from Friday, February 14, 1969 Phoenix, Fri., Feb. 14, 1963 State horses win 3 of 10 blue ribbons SCOTTSDALE - Arizona horses won three of the 10 blue . Whether you're a big breeder or a little breeder, 80 percent of your foals are going to be average or less than average. As development moved north from Scottsdale and east from Phoenix, the show site was again threatened. I've been to the Scottsdale sales. The International Arabian Horse Association, separate from the Registry, was founded in 1950 to sanction horse shows, develop rules, and license judges. In 1963 he was imported to the United States by Dr. Eugene Lacroix of Lasma Arabians, in Scottsdale, Arizona. Dan Gainey raised Arabians at Gainey Ranch on Scottsdale Road. If we take a look at the rise and fall of the U.S. Arabian breeding and sales market over the last 40 years, it perhaps puts into context what seems to some to be crazy dollar figures. Early attendees will recall the beautiful African daisies blooming in the desert, covering the floor of the desert, and having automobiles parking on them! ", True, an Arabian can't run with a thoroughbredit is more than 10 seconds slower over a milebut in an all-Arabian field, will the bettor care? ", The greatest fool of all is probably Uncle Sam, whose loophole-filled tax code allows Arabians, like milk cows, to be depreciated for their full value in three to five years, depending on their age. A new Tax Court case involved several million dollars of losses from 2004-2009 in an Arabian horse farm owned by Henry and Christie Metz. No writing or creases. . All Rights Reserved. Foaled in Sweden in 1975, by Nureddin and out of Lalage, he was a solid bay with no white markings. After Anne McCormick's death, the ranch was sold in 1970 to Kaiser-Aetna. This is still the U.S., where we presume innocence until proven otherwise. The primary beneficiaries of Arabian-mania, and among the moving forces behind it, have been Dr. Eugene LaCroix and his family, the owners and proprietors of the Lasma Arabians farms in Scottsdale and Louisville. Surprisingly, 67% are owned for recreational purposes. 1989 - Present: WestWorld Leased by the City of Scottsdale Pima & Frank Lloyd Wright Blvd. While hundreds jumped ship, there were nevertheless die-hard horsemen and passionate lovers of the Arabian breed who rode out the crash, refocusing their efforts and waiting for the rebound. From 1986 to 1991, registrations dropped by more than 15,000 horses per annum. LaCroix, 69, a retired vascular surgeon, bought his first two Arabians back in 1944 to upgrade his cattle horses. Daalda Fiolek's coming up strong. 2,151 likes. Between 1982 and 1986, over 100,000 purebred Arabians were registered in this country (more than had been registered from 1908 through 1973). By 1971 the show was moved back to the McCormick Ranch, where it remained through the 1978 show, which had 790 horses showing. Hosted by the Scottsdale-calendar of events that celebrate Arabians. Prospective buyers were wined and dined, attended seminars extolling the financial advantage of investing in Arabian horses, and treated like royalty. Their feet and legs are very durable, fragile as they look. What other word can describe the auction of an unborn Arabian foal for $100,000as happened last February at the annual Scotts-dale (Ariz.) Arabian salesa creature that might have been born with three left feet and a horn protruding from its forehead? The horses are offered for sale by the state stud only once a year and became hugely popular in the U.S. during the boom years of the 1970s and early 1980s. There's something so excessive about it. Dr. Eugene E. LaCroix, of Scottsdale died peacefully at home at the age of 87, on January. Dr. Eugene LaCroix opened Lasma Ranch at 54th Street and Bell. 2011 Horsewoman of the Year: Beverly Raymond. When Anne and Fowler McCormick established a ranch here in the early 1940s, Anne began raising prized Arabians, including the famed Naborr. In 1954, the International Arabian Horse Association urged Tweed to help start the first Arizona Arabian Horse Association. For anyone who cares to hop on, we've got the horse-half right here. The new, smaller market allowed for the serious horseman to focus on breeding better horses and promoting the horses themselves, and not the financial advantages, to new buyers. Welcome to the 2015 Scottsdale Arabian Horse Show News and Reviews for Monday, February 16 th. I bought my horse for $5,000 three years ago, but now he is worth $20,000 because I have three years of board, training and vet and farrier expense into him., I bought my horse as a three-year-old for $2,500 four years ago, but now that he is seven and I have been riding him for four years, he is worth $15,000., He has the potential to be a great XYZso he is easily worth $25,000., When my horse has another three months of training on him, I should be able to get $35,000, so I will ask $35,000 for him now.. 7 Lasma Arabians Sale Catalogs 1977 - 1984. 1-800-244-9580. But the LaCroix were on to something. (first appeared in The Equiery August 2011). The straight Egyptian Arabian is still considered the purest of pure Arabians, and is valued for its extreme refined appearance and friendly temperament. There's a time and a place for a whip, but to use one just to make a horse flare its nostrilswell, that just isn't right. Despite the reputation that Arabians have as high-spirited mounts, they are, if treated properly, light-mouthed and superb with children. Polish But it knows if that person can ride. Just about every business model dreams about having just the right high-profile personality invest in its stock or purchase its product. Arabian Champion's Cemetery Moved from Lasma Arabians, Scottsdale, AZ. Do you think that Genghis Khan, George Washington, Robert E. Lee and Ulysses S. Grant rode Arabians because they were pretty? "), the Beach Boys, Sammy Davis Jr., David Brenner, the Pointer Sisters and Shirley MacLaine began appearing onstage with the horses, and in 1977shades of Monty! Owned by the country's royal family, this exquisite stallion has dominated the show ring . Also during this time, the imported Russian-bred stallion *Padron was syndicated for a record-breaking $11 million by David Boggs and went on to be the sire of over 700 horses, many of them national winners. Once there, the handler dances about, cracking a whip like a lion tamer, yanking on the little darling's chain until every hair on its shiny coat is standing on end. Small potatoes compared with what top thoroughbreds go for, to be sure, but thoroughbred investments can be recouped on the track. Born April 15, 1916 in Hiawatha, Kansas, he moved to the valley from Seattle, Washington 45 years ago. The Russian Arabian began at the state-controlled Tersk Stud in 1930 with horses imported from England and France. One of the most controversial topics surrounding the seizure of the Canterbury Arabians is that of rare bloodlines and preserving the bloodlines. For those not versed in the finer points of Arabian pedigrees, here is a brief introduction written by Peggy Ingles, a new Equiery artist and a long-time Arabian breeder. . The cumulative effect is a horse that leans more toward prettiness than brutishness, an animal one might expect to have been created not by evolution but by Disney. The Scottsdale Arabian Horse Show has been a well-attended Scottsdale signature event since 1956. Kello-Bask, born in 1966, was one of the 1,046 progeny of *Bask, the imported Polish Arabian born in 1956, brought to America in 1963 by Dr. Eugene LaCroix to his Lasma Arabian Ranch in Scottsdale, Arizona. Bred by Lasma Arabian Stud | USA Imported 1975. But what really led to the Arabian boom in this country was the flair with which Lasma marketed Bask's progeny. They contributed to the development of the Anglo-Arabian horse and therefore to the modern warmblood breeds. Later renamed WestWorld, the Scottsdale Special event facility has been home to the annual show and other Arabian Horse Association events for over 30 years. When I was a little girl, I was Arabian horse obsessed. Arabians have a large heart size relative to their weight. Scottsdale, AZ 85260. The April 29 seizure of 136 malnourished Polish Arabians from Canterbury breeding farm on the Eastern Shore of Maryland has brought an uncomfortable spotlight on not only the equine breeding business in general, but on the Arabian business in particular. An Arabian's back is compact, its chest is full, its legs straight and somewhat refined, like a dancer's. All the brute could do was breed, eat and look pretty. "The painting of horses? The mane and tailespecially white onesare then dyed to remove unsightly bathroom stains. It could be argued that this Sports Illustrated article played a role in convincing legislators to disallow the full value deprecation and expensing of horses, which in turn led to the collapse of not just the Arab market but the race horse breeding industry as well. Scottsdale Arabian Horse Show. All we're trying to do is save the horses. . Location and Presidents Through the Years! Horse owners not familiar with the crazy 40-year rollercoaster ride of the Arabian market have scoffed at the estimated value of $30,000 for some of the horses, a figure tossed out by welfare and rescue organizations involved, as well as some breed enthusiasts. The likes of Bob Hope ("Where else can you sit around watching rich Americans buy Arabs? No refunds or returns so.from 11606689 Dan Gainey raised Arabians at Gainey Ranch on Scottsdale Road. Early exhibitions were held at the Casa Blanca Inn, a winter resort for the first couple of years. "Consult with our Arabian horse specialist" reads Wells Fargo's ad in Arabian Horse World, a four-color monthly epic of Arabian profiteering that sometimes runs 600 pages per issue; it is the largest monthly magazine in the world. They bought a 160-acre plot on Hayden Road north of Shea Boulevard, where Tweed designed the sprawling Spanish Colonial ranch house, stables and out buildings. In addition, investment is often easier said than done. If we take a look at the rise and fall of the U.S. Arabian breeding and sales market over the last 40 years, it perhaps puts into context what seems to some to be crazy dollar figures. Spanish Once they bought a big-name horse, the sellers were sure to get buyers photos with the horse in all of the newspapers and magazines. Waltenspiel is a former director of the American Endurance Ride Conference, an organization started in 1971 that now numbers more than 2,000 members and sanctioned some 533 races in 1985 at distances ranging from 25 to 150 miles. Vol. It is a question that Arabian owners ask each other every day. The once exotic Arabian has gone forth and multiplied on these shores like yeasts in yogurta food which, like the horse, was endemic to the Middle East before fashionably gaining appeal in this part of the world. Serving as direct sales agent for the Polish government, Lasma handled the auction of 19 Polish mares for $10.8 million, an average of $568,684 a head. They had already seen some of the early Polish . * LASMA SALE FIVE(5) Arabian Horse . 35 amurath ii b 1907 arabian. "We wanted the horses to look good, so we got a runway, which gave them room to move," the younger Gene, 38, recalls. Whether the legend is true or not, there is little doubt that Arabians are the oldest selectively bred equines in the world. Despite the claims that horses from certain bloodlines are being valued at $30,000 or more, the average Arabian horse still sells in the $5,000 range; according to the Sports Illustrated article, even at the height of the 70s/80s Arab fad-frenzy, 80% of the Arabian horses in the U.S. sold for an average price of $5,000so not that much has changed in terms of the average price. The race would have to be three miles long just to identify the field. We are dedicated to the promotion and breeding of Arabian horses on an international basis through . They found their way to the U.S. and the Russian blood was well represented in the show ring in the late 70s and early 80s. Status: Updated 5/10/2022. The Blunt family began breeding Arabians at their Crabbet Park stud in England in 1878. In the late 1920s and early 1930s, W. K. Kellogg and Roger Selby imported horses from Englands Crabbet Stud and established breeding programs. At stud, Bask produced more champion Arabian horses than . Psynergy Equine takes a three pronged approach to breeding Arabian horses: First, they focus on bloodlines, and breeding superior individuals who contribute hybrid vigor and preserve the best blood the breed has to offer. Her sentiment is shared by Arabian fanciers the world over. pasb*1380 See more Bask memorials in: Kentucky Horse Park; Lexington; Fayette County; Kentucky; USA; "Mike added some theatrical things to the sale we hadn't thought of," admits Dr. LaCroix. It was incorporated 41 years ago on 3rd April 1981. This stud's for you. And the muchtraveled, much-loved Russian-bred *Naborr died at Tom Chauncey Arabians at Scottsdale at age 27. ", War was responsible for much of the early dissemination of Arabian blood. The Arabian Horse Association of Arizona is a non-profit organization comprised of Arabian horse owners, breeders, and enthusiasts worldwide who are dedicated to preserving the Arabian horse through education, competition, activities, and promotion. "You can use them for trail riding and cattle work; you can show them in all the different categories: halter. Bsk, a Swedish liquor. It was held at the stables and arena at the Wrigleys mansion near the Biltmore Resort. Growth of the breed accelerated in 1906 when a gentleman named Homer Davenport imported 27 Arabians. I hate it," says Peter Scheerder, an Arabian breeder from Holland who attended the 1985 Scottsdale sales. He named the place BruSally Ranch, and began to raise Arabian horses. Glossy covers and color pictures for each Arabian, plus the important detail and each facing page has Pedigree Information, additional color photographs. Registered IAHA 1/2 Arabian - One parent is a purebred arabian and horse is registered half arabian. This gives owners and exhibitors a more economical means to both enjoy and compete at a regional or national level with their Arabian horses. Meanwhile you can send your letters to 8655 EAST VIA DE VENTURA, SUITE F-300, SCOTTSDALE, AZ, 85258. How can such prices be justified? But in the 1960s horse world, you just hoped that the right buyer, the right owner would come along that would propel your training business or breeding farm into the stratosphere. As recently as 1968 the top price paid at auction for an Arabian was $25,000. Boy George should doll himself up as nice as some of these Arabs. The rider on their back really feels himself the man-half of a centaur, not a distinct being.". 5 Vintage 1960 Arabian Horse News Magazines - Rare! Throughout the 1990s, registrations held steady at around 12,000 per year, with a slow decline in the 2000s to a unprecedented low in 2010 of fewer than 5,000. It started with the importation in 1963 of *Bask, a Polish Arabian owned by Lasma and one of only a handful of stallions to later win National Championships in both halter and performance. They are known for their athleticism and durability. At the big shows, the owners were treated to parties, private viewing boxes and more photo ops. During the late 1950s and throughout the 1960s, more Arabian farms and ranches opened in the desert north of Scottsdale, adding prestige to the association and its annual Arabian show. "They're a very esthetically oriented lot.". 7. on the cover: Expressamo (IXL Noble Express x Mystic Bey V by Huckleberry Bey), 2017 Scottsdale Champion Pleasure Driving, pictured with his best friend Kate Candelaria, at Sandman Inc., San Jose, California.Photo by Kelly Kenneally. Today, famous people make their money leveraging their fame via publicists who make endorsement deals. The whole business has been compared, with reason, to the tulipmania that struck Holland in 1634, when speculation ran amok, with buyers splurging as much as $5,000 for a single bulb. In 1988, Tersk Stud offered 87 horses but only 18 sold; the highest price was $36,000. Polish Arabians were bred as far back as the 16th century and were nearly destroyed by World War I. ahr . "We wanted some pizzazz, so we added a band and gave each horse a special song. The Blunt family began breeding Arabians at their Crabbet Park stud in England in 1878. 'The nature of the Arabian horse, after . There is one foolproof way to determine the value of any horse at any given moment, and that is what someone is willing to pay for said horse at that given moment. 8 Arabian Horse Catalogs 1980/86 - Baywood Pk, Tom Chauncey, Karho, Trip . The number of Americans owning registered Arabians went from 11,000 in 1965 to over 110,000 in 1986. Or is there some justification to this speculation? 1. The herd, which had been days without water, raced toward the stream at a gallop. Looking showy is your fancy? founding the world renowned Lasma Arabians and was the importer and owner of *Bask ++, who . Before making any type of investment, using something like this stock market calculator is usually something to consider, as this will give the person looking to make the investment a better idea about whether it will be successful in the long run or not. In 1988, Tersk Stud offered 87 horses but only 18 sold; the highest price was $36,000. St., Scottsdale, AZ . To test them, Faras took out his horn and blew the call to arms. For noncelebrities, the attraction was to be able to rub elbows with the famous and participate in the exclusivity of owning these special horses. Upon the dispersal of Crabbet Stud in 1957, imports picked up once again. Copyright 2023 The Equiery. Perhaps it will also provide the framework for understanding a situation as seemingly absurd as the Canterbury situation appears to be on the surface150 horses? Elegant, shmelegant. Support AHAA with Fry's Community Rewards, Support AHAAwith Fry's Community Awards, Education: ownership and the welfare of Arabian horses, Promotion: breeding, competition & ownership of Arabian horses, Opportunities: Interaction and involvement with Arabian horses and people, Preservation: of the Arabian horse and its rich history. "Arabians are tremendously versatile," says LaCroix. "The other 90 percent are still great athletes. At The Equiery, as at all horse publications, we see horse owners and dealers play the my horse is worth or the my horse will be worth game every day. An investment in pleasure, good health, exercise and family fun. Dust jacket is ripped but book is in excellent condition. LaCroix, 69, a retired vascular surgeon, bought his first two Arabians back in 1944 to upgrade his cattle horses. At some point during this unprecedented buying frenzy, banks became interested in the financing of these huge purchases, whereas before, sellers held the notes. 57, No. WestWorld | Scottsdale, AZ. 2015-54.] Actually, the Wells Fargo Bank is willing to try. The primary beneficiaries of Arabian-mania, and among the moving forces behind it, have been Dr. Eugene LaCroix and his family, the owners and proprietors of the Lasma Arabians farms in Scottsdale and Louisville. Centered around Scottsdale, Arizona, a town famous for its prestigious Arabian show and state-of-the-art breeding facilities, breeders such as the LeCroix family, owners of Lasma Arabian Stud, and a few others began conducting Arabian sales peddling their show and breeding stock to the public. It remains to be seen whether the owner of the Canterbury Arabians, Marsha Parkinson, pleads guilty or is found guilty of neglect. Also affecting the breed in the 90s was the difficulty of establishing purity of blood. "Everybody knows drugs are used," Hayden says. ahsb ix p 113; pasb*1651. doktryner* gr 14.2 1950 arabian. Like a gambler addicted to a high-stakes game of dice, the next roll could be the big one. Ears: pointed and close-set. You don't just dig a hole in an hour and plop that carcass in it. Cover Story: Expressamo "He's the best thing that happened to our barn, my daughter, and my grandchildren. In Australia Arlene's work has been published in Australian Arabian News, Australian Arabian Express and Studs and Stallions. If a horse is not on the very edge of exploding out of its halter, it is considered to be a deadhead. The expense of keeping Arabians can be written off dollar for dollar, and any profit from their resale is taxed, not as income, but as a capital gain, provided one has owned a horse for at least two years. By the early 1970s, LaCroix's Lasma Arabians was firmly established at the top of the Arabian industry in the U.S. Breeding of Spanish Arabians began in the early 1900s with imports from the Middle East, England and Poland. These horses were often welcomed by the local populace at the train station, as they were very new to most of the population, and something most had only read about but would not often see. "They can't believe it: this great field of color coming around the turn, tails up, heads up. Between the eighth and 17th centuries Europe was invaded by hordes of Turks, Arabs and the like, who, when they were eventually driven back, left behind swaths of death and destruction and yogurt. This year, the Scottsdale Arabian Horse Show is celebrating its 60 th Anniversary. "I'm interested in a sound horse that is cheerful in its work. Part of the answer lies in the tax advantages inherent in each transaction"We're farming the tax code," confides one large breederand part of it in the Greater Fool Theory, as uttered by Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars: "Who is the greater fool? Some 100 horses and their owners participated in the inaugural show, which Tweed commentated from the bed of a truck. Shirley MacLaine toasted VP Kahlua, a mare whose unborn foal sold for 5100,000. 1955 an exhibition was again held at the Casa Blanca Inn that year. Leave a Flower Advertisement. At Lasmas first sale in 1971, 27 horses sold for an average of $19,000 each, with a *Bask daughter topping the sale at $56,000. Lasma was at Bell and 54th St. "America started this thing, but now it is coming over to Europe. In 1964, at age 8, Bask was named U.S. National Champion Stallion and U.S. National Top Ten Three-Gaited (Park) Horse, an accomplishment never repeated in the Arabian show world. Coupled with trainers becoming judges, a new dynamic wasformed. Skowronek was their most important contribution to Arabian breeders. Your submission has been received! Measures 14 x 11-1/2 Although its location and scope have changed over the years, its focus has remained constant all Arabian. Because of this growth, AHA instituted a Sport Horse National Championship Horse Show that features Arabians, Half-Arabians and Anglo-Arabians competing in dressage, working hunter, jumpers, conformation and carriage driving classes all judged by USEF- and USDF-carded judges. 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